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Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:46 pm
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| I guess I am just a bit on the optimistic side. Not that I trust Red, but I do believe in what miss Vanessa has planned for him. |
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Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:56 pm
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| One thing I feel it necessary to point out. Amidst all this aggression, has anyone considered that Red never said that he was in love with Betty? He said that he liked her, desired her, even dreamed of her, but I don't recall him using the word "love" once. |
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Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:28 am
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*cub strethes*
yea, now you meantioned it, he nver did mention th ewordl: LOVE
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Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:52 am
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Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:23 pm
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| Ashton Gray wrote: |
As it seems to me, Red's position is this:
He was forced into an arranged marriage with Mary at a young age.
While he made it clear that he liked Mary, he was opposed to the arranged marriage.
During his time with Mary when they were younger, he helped her continue a letter-based relationship with Betty.
During the course of his relaying messages between the two, he fell for Betty, though never acted on his desires for her for the sake of his father.
Now that he has returned to Bon Bon to carry out his father's wish, he made love to Betty to close that unfinished chapter on his life, else he would have likely lived the rest of his life mourning the fact that he never expressed his feelings towards Betty.
In short, he was faced with a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Having said all that, though I do understand why he did it and feel sorry for him, I bear no love for him either.
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That about sums it up. *Gives Ashton a hug.* It seems forever, but you need this. I recall all the times you've helped people with their grammar and catching up on the forum and site. (aside: though I don't blame you for taking a break with some of the folks on here.) |
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Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:56 pm
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| I certainly have nothing against Red. He certainly seems intelligent and fairly well-adjusted. Particularly when compared to William. But I get the feeling he's just going through the motions and isn't particularly set on anything he's done so far. There's no passion or enjoyment. |
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Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:23 pm
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| I dunno.Just have a feeling that this whole business with Red,Violet & Betty will not go the way one would expect.I think that like everyone else,I will just have to wait and see what unfolds. |
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Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:09 pm
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| Altough I feel very sorry for Betty, there's just something about Red that...I dunno...he just doesn't really feel like a bad guy. I have no idea exactly what to expect from the progress in this love drama, so it'll be very exciting to see how things turns out between them. |
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Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:32 pm
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Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:40 pm
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| Well, I don't consider him a bad guy, but I just don't want everything to go his way, I would rather see him with Betty than with Mary. I think the story should stay in Wilson's corner. |
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Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:40 pm
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I think that there is a hidden agenda with red and I think it might have to do with something with the tattoo on his chest.
I can't wait to for the next installment. lol |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:46 am
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| I'm a little ashamed of myself for not thinking of it sooner. No one seems to have mentioned something that was perhaps one of the more important things at the time. Children! The rules of pregnancy of a female in Bon Bon's universe require the male and female to be of same/similar species. This means that as much as Red may love Betty, being with her would never allow him to continue the family legacy with children as a mouse and cat are two different species. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:32 am
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| Actually, I believe that subject has been mentioned more than once in the past. I don't remember which topics though, I'll have to do some research. |
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Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:26 pm
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| Shadow_Twisted wrote: |
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The rules of pregnancy of a female in Bon Bon's universe require the male and female to be of same/similar species. This means that as much as Red may love Betty, being with her would never allow him to continue the family legacy with children as a mouse and cat are two different species.
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Hmm...I never really thought about this either. It kinda puts everything in a different situation. Even though Red may be in love with Betty, he would never be able to start a family with her.
Maybe Red isn't having an easy situation after all... ^^; |
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:24 pm
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| kommy wrote: |
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I certainly have nothing against Red. He certainly seems intelligent and fairly well-adjusted. Particularly when compared to William. But I get the feeling he's just going through the motions and isn't particularly set on anything he's done so far. There's no passion or enjoyment.
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Putting his own desires on the back burner to instead uphold his father's dreams and desires cause he's been aching to get his father's approval all his life. |
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:46 am
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Don't consider him as a bad guy either
but as 'pet' i'd be defending my 'master' (Betty)
as regular person, i'd be like: 'how you doin? *nod nod* mind if i use your for 5 min?'
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:48 am
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| nothing excuses the %$#@!*& from what he did. He rolled into town, gave Betty the night of her life, told her he loved her, then goes off to marry someone else. If he had ANY respect for her, he would not have done that. I hope someone kicks him in the nuts, hard. |
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:35 am
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One thing I feel it necessary to point out. Amidst all this aggression, has anyone considered that Red never said that he was in love with Betty? He said that he liked her, desired her, even dreamed of her, but I don't recall him using the word "love" once.
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To play the devil's advocate: Betty, of all people, should know lust when she sees it. Moreover, you'd think she'd have learned to tell the difference between love and lust by now. Furethermore, how many hearts has she broken? How many lives has she irrevocably altered? Take poor William, for example. Now, granted, he's a bit of a schmuck, but at least he knew himself. Then, due to Betty's actions and greed, he's now saddled with an addiction to sex in addition to gambling and thrust into an even more dangerous situation than he was in before. Should his guise as Wilson slip, his life expectancy could be measured by a speeding bullet. Specifically, the one Simon Blue would likely put between his ribs. All because Betty refused to reimburse him one, single florin. She is hardly the innocent maiden who's honor has just been besmirched. |
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:00 am
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One thing I feel it necessary to point out. Amidst all this aggression, has anyone considered that Red never said that he was in love with Betty? He said that he liked her, desired her, even dreamed of her, but I don't recall him using the word "love" once.
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To play the devil's advocate: Betty, of all people, should know lust when she sees it. Moreover, you'd think she'd have learned to tell the difference between love and lust by now. Furethermore, how many hearts has she broken? How many lives has she irrevocably altered? Take poor William, for example. Now, granted, he's a bit of a schmuck, but at least he knew himself. Then, due to Betty's actions and greed, he's now saddled with an addiction to sex in addition to gambling and thrust into an even more dangerous situation than he was in before. Should his guise as Wilson slip, his life expectancy could be measured by a speeding bullet. Specifically, the one Simon Blue would likely put between his ribs. All because Betty refused to reimburse him one, single florin. She is hardly the innocent maiden who's honor has just been besmirched.
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page 21 of chapter 5, though it may be possible to interpret it as a loose phrasing, Red calls Betty as "Love." It can be relatively safely assumed that this is not the case considering how much he has, wanted, desired and dreamed of Betty. Not only that but by the fact that it is a sentence in and of itself, not just latched onto the end. This manner places more emphasis on the word and defines it once again as a more intimate meaning.
Page 30 of chapter 6. once again, though he does not say it directly, one can read between the lines. "I'm not in love with Mary..." leads to the understanding the he loves Betty. This is the kind of comment designed to comfort a person, to convince them that they are not being left behind for one reason or another. In most cases this line precedes "I love you."
Based on the facts set forth just now, I find that Red is indeed in love with Betty and will not change my opinion unless someone directly responsible for the creation of the storyline of this comic states otherwise.
I rest my case. |
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:16 am
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Mind the setting, Silvador. Granted, he may love Betty, but the fact of the matter remains that Mary is the one he is to marry. In this time period, it wasn't unusual for a man to not be in love with a woman he was supposed to marry, but because it was arranged, he had to go through with it. Demonize Red all you want, but the fact remains that there really isn't a whole lot of blame to be placed on Red. Had his father been a member, or Simon not been so stubborn with the rules, he may have never had the opportunity to be in love with Betty in the first place.
In life, we are all subject to being victims of circumstance, just as Betty, Red, and William have been in the comics so far. |
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:30 am
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Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:49 am
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| Ok, on second thought, Red was an asshole. I re-read the comic and realized it went a lot differently than I thought. Still, Bon Bon is often a place a young man goes to sow his wild oats before an arranged marriage. |
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:36 am
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| Silvador wrote: |
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Based on the facts set forth just now, I find that Red is indeed in love with Betty and will not change my opinion unless someone directly responsible for the creation of the storyline of this comic states otherwise.
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And those are indeed good points to be raising and you have the right to your opinion. I happen to disagree, but that's just my opinion. And you are correct, only Vanessa knows for sure, so we could both be wrong. 
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You don't have to leave, Silvador. Unless you want to, that is. There's nothing wrong with a friendly argument, as long as things stay civilized. Personally, I think they can be great fun. If something I said upset you, I apologize. |
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:51 am
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You don't have to leave, Silvador. Unless you want to, that is. There's nothing wrong with a friendly argument, as long as things stay civilized. Personally, I think they can be great fun. If something I said upset you, I apologize.
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nothing anyone has said has upset me. Shadow's post was directly opposite to what i had pointed out and i determined that there was no need to protest because i thought it would only lead to a pointless argument. i rather enjoy a good argument but the one i saw spawning from my response to his post was not worth having, thus i let the matter go. i've put forth all i have to offer on the matter, there is really nothing more that i have to say. |
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