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PleasureBonBon Forum -> PleasureBonBon.com Discussions ~ Dorian on the Furry Fandom. |
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:49 am
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Now I am sure we have all noticed that there are many accusations and false assumptions of the Furry Fandom. One being that it is considered that the Fandom is more concerned with [word censored]. Now my Dear darling Janey has already tried talking to a buddy of mine who is unconvinced (and it's so hard to say no to her). Now I come to you, I need a way to convince a friend of mine that the Furry Fandom is not a fetish but more of.... a way of living. |
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:45 am
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Well furry fandom is in Wikipedia too, i LIVE Furry fandom, because it is really a way to live it, you know, it's like, some years ago, the people said that vehicles would fly, they called them insane people, now, the insane people is who says that vehicles can't fly, the same thing happens with Furry Fandom, someday, the insane people will be the people saying furry fandom isn't a way to live, because it actually is. |
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:58 am
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the furry fandom is technically a fetish but not always a sexual fetish, its one of the lesser fetishes. its more of a interest in the way of living like nudists they have a way of living but you wont see them living in the colder climates cause they would need clothes to protect them or stay inside when its cold. a furry that wears a fur suit is some one who is more comfortable with their fur suit then the skin god gave them, a furry like me who is only a fur online is mostly interested in it for the artistic applications |
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:42 pm
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I'm more than that, well, I'm just like the Wikipedia definition of Furry Fundom, I'm jurst weird :s |
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:43 pm
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Hoshiginiro wrote: |
nudists have a way of living but you wont see them living in the colder climates cause they would need clothes to protect them or stay inside when its cold.
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You'd be amazed.
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Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:58 pm
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Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:40 pm
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Oh, this debate. I alternately find it amusing and tiresome. Lets just roll the tape and get it over with.
"This furry stuff is freaky sex fetishism!"
"No, it isn't. It's really more like a-"
"Oh, yeah? www.furaffinity.net"
"Well, that may be. However, that's just one example-"
"[url]us.vclart.net[/url]!"
"Okay... Well, just because it has sexual elements, it doesn't mean it is a sexual thing. Why, just because the fandom is a haven for not only homosexual and bisexual proclivities, plus rubs shoulders with additional fetishes including, but not limited to, [word censored], transformation, plushophilia, weight gain, infantilism, domination, hermaphrodites, [word censored], voraphilia, polyamory, hyper and hypophilia, and the occasional bit of pedophilia does not mean that the furry fandom itself is perverted, obscene, and amoral."
"...You're kidding right?" |
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Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:43 pm
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I have to agree with Kommy. We don't need this BS debate here.
Fetish, lifestyle, tomato, tomatoe. Who really gives a fuck? |
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Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:04 pm
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I don't think it is BS. It's a perfectly understandable argument. It's just that it really is impossible to make the furry fandom sound wholesome. Any furry should accept that plenty of highly visible people enjoy lots of freaky and, in some jurisdictions, illegal things and associate with your subculture.
The most you can do is compare it to disgusting people like Pastor Phelps being a part of Christianity. Yes, he and his family are foul and are self-identified Christians, but it's not like Christianity can kick them out. |
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Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:21 pm
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Let me rephrase... We don't need the drama that this debate often causes.
I personally don't much care the "extremists" of the furry fandom. I have no direct problem with them, really. To each their own. But the furry fandom in general has acquired a very bad reputation from the majority of those who consider it a "lifestyle". It's all those who go around all the time wearing "fur-suits" and who talk and act in general (not RP) as if they actually are an animal that make so many people hate. This is not including the considerably high number of gays that apparently make up over 80% of furries. It's from these two "sections" of the fandom that time and again this debate wells up from and ultimately turns into little more than a bitch fight over just what the fandom is.
This board is a considerably social board and I don't think we need fights the likes of which are common place on certain image boards.
The debate may have it "legitimate" arguments, or may not. Regardless, I don't think this forum is the place to explore them. All I see if a whole lot of mud slinging and locked threads. |
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Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:07 pm
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Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:34 pm
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I honestly meant no offense. I was just trying to bring up something I found some concern with is all. |
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Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:38 pm
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Dorian Longstreet wrote: |
I honestly meant no offense. I was just trying to bring up something I found some concern with is all.
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Don't worry, Dorian. I don't think you've really offended anyone. It's just a subject that has a bad habit of resulting in a whole lot of drama. That's all. |
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Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:41 pm
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Silvador wrote: |
Dorian Longstreet wrote: |
I honestly meant no offense. I was just trying to bring up something I found some concern with is all.
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Don't worry, Dorian. I don't think you've really offended anyone. It's just a subject that has a bad habit of resulting in a whole lot of drama. That's all.
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:09 am
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I can't really call it a lifestyle, but it is something that interests me greatly, save for the suit collecting thing. I'll leave that to the people who live and breathe that stuff. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:36 am
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Silvador wrote: |
Hey, they're kinda cute. Anyone you know?
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Would be nice,
"Scandinavian web site."
On the Furridom or how ever someone calls it.
"Sex in sheep's clothing?"
It is simple really, it is all HUMAN.
They are so different from the animals the drawing represent (cat, mouse, etc) its silly to insist they are that animal.
We believe they are those animals because we ALLOW it to be those animals.
A base human shape and all we find sexy about it, with cutesy parts of animals.
Turn it around:
Ask that person who found your furridom enjoyable:
Did they know they know the Playboy symbol is a Rabbit, and the girls are "bunnies"?
Did they like "Avatar"? They are a furry lover.
Did they cry to theatrical "Cats"? They are a furry lover.
Do they laugh at Bugs Bunny, Tom & Jerry, Micky Mouse? They are a furry lover!
Furry Fandom is a CULTURALLY ACCEPTED and LOVED genre!
What is NOT accepted is the idea of, say Micky Mouse and Mini Mouse having SEX!
It's the SEX part people freak about. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:38 am
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I don't think it's ever a good idea to try to "convince" someone to change their mind. People just want to naturally assume that they have the right view and get defensive when presented with something to the contrary. As it stands, the furry community is generally ill-perceived. Most people prefer the majority fallacy, "If everyone else says so, it must be true." Trying to force the issue usually only makes them more stubborn. Ease off and hope that over time they see the other side on their own and change their mind. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:44 am
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Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:56 am
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I don't try to understand the furry fandom. I think that Vanessa's work and this community(for the most part) is free from the more extreme fetishes and actions I've seen in other places.
I don't think of myself as a furry, though I like the work of certain artists, and I find it difficult to say exactly what I think the furry fandom is. I guess it's individual what people think is part of the fandom and what they find appealing about it. As such, I'm more interested in which aspects of the "furry fandom" people are interested in and why.
I wouldn't try to convince anyone to understand my interest in furry artwork. It's not a way of life for me or anything like that. It's just artwork that I enjoy looking at, and since the vast majority of it that I like is of the erotic kind, I keep it strictly to myself. |
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:20 am
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I was not advocating trying to change anyone's mind, if anyone thought that.
It is just a matter of fact that anthropomorphised animals are pervasive in most of the worlds societies, from ancient Hindu to modern Mikey Mouse.
As to PBB, I am more attracted to the story line and excellent artwork then the furryness of it, but I certainly enjoy the furry as well!
How many have noticed the METAPHORS Vanessa has carefully introduced in her characters? Most of the animal chosen for the persona is for stereotype. While not Vanessa's creation, an obvious example Randy the Raccoon, and Raccoons are famous for being rascals. I think Vanessa (a favorite of mine) looks to also be a raccoons, and she also is mischievous.
Just a thought.
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:27 pm
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Eechironin wrote: |
Furry Fandom is a CULTURALLY ACCEPTED and LOVED genre!
What is NOT accepted is the idea of, say Micky Mouse and Mini Mouse having SEX!
It's the SEX part people freak about.
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I doubt Furry Fandom is accepted by the majority of our culture. Most people at my college in fact are still shudder at hear those words; "being a furry". Not just because of the "sex", but also because of some of the people in the fandom. The people I'm talking about, are the dumbasses who want to force the furry fandom down peoples throats, or the crazies who are already open about it, and wear there tails, ears,and badges EVERYWHERE. My last example are some of the "Red Badge" Furs, the minors. I swear from just looking on FA, it seems the crazies and the minors, really mix together.
Eechironin show me where its "Loved" and "culturally accepted." In the grand scheme of things we're still the biggest freaks because of the dumbasses who want to throw there fetishes out the door so everyone can see it. That ruins my view of Furry Fandom being Loved or even "Culturally Accepted." I mean I'm happy to be part of it, I just facepalm, whenever I read any of the idiots who get caught with there pants down on the news.
I think the one blessing out of all of this, is whenever a Local news station, asks about a con, like these below.
Furry Fiesta 2010
Even the report on Anthrocon 2008 by Pittsburgh's local news team was a good example of the Furry Fandom.
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:25 pm
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:33 pm
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:11 pm
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TheBashfulFeline wrote: |
Eechironin wrote: |
Furry Fandom is a CULTURALLY ACCEPTED and LOVED genre!
What is NOT accepted is the idea of, say Micky Mouse and Mini Mouse having SEX!
It's the SEX part people freak about.
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I doubt Furry Fandom is accepted by the majority of our culture. Most people at my college in fact are still shudder at hear those words; "being a furry". Not just because of the "sex", but also because of some of the people in the fandom. The people I'm talking about, are the dumbasses who want to force the furry fandom down peoples throats, or the crazies who are already open about it, and wear there tails, ears,and badges EVERYWHERE. My last example are some of the "Red Badge" Furs, the minors. I swear from just looking on FA, it seems the crazies and the minors, really mix together.
Eechironin show me where its "Loved" and "culturally accepted." In the grand scheme of things we're still the biggest freaks because of the dumbasses who want to throw there fetishes out the door so everyone can see it. That ruins my view of Furry Fandom being Loved or even "Culturally Accepted." I mean I'm happy to be part of it, I just facepalm, whenever I read any of the idiots who get caught with there pants down on the news.
I think the one blessing out of all of this, is whenever a Local news station, asks about a con, like these below.
Furry Fiesta 2010
Even the report on Anthrocon 2008 by Pittsburgh's local news team was a good example of the Furry Fandom.
AnthroCon
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Hi Bashful,
When I posted the above I did not mean the open and overt fans. Yes, I agree with you, they are being jerks. If someone does not like furry drawings does not mean they should press the issue, of course!
On the other hand, the majority should not discriminate those who like furries (who are discreet about it), again pointing to some level of acceptance by the mas populous.
I must admit to some ignorance, because reading the above I realize my understanding of what furry is may not be exactly what others may think. I was not thinking of cat-ear, dog collar, funny talking people who live that way all the time, just people who enjoy reading furry stories and cos-play at conventions.
Their was a time where anime and manga fandom in Japan was looked down on, like an illness. The term "otaku" was coined, the word generally meaning a recluse, stay at home (otaku (お宅) = house, home, family). Slang geek/nerd/enthusiast spelling is オタク (BTW, it applies to computers, model builders, or anyone who rather stays home then go out).
Today Anime in Japan has gained some respect, and in the US is seen legitimate commercial product.
Anyway, I am not trying insist anything, just some observations and history, see what percolates out.
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:18 am
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Eechironin wrote: |
I must admit to some ignorance, because reading the above I realize my understanding of what furry is may not be exactly what others may think. I was not thinking of cat-ear, dog collar, funny talking people who live that way all the time, just people who enjoy reading furry stories and cos-play at conventions.
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These people are what I call a "normal furry". Because, in essence, they are normal people. They simply enjoy a form of art and otherwise behave normally.
It's the rest of the furry community, that other half, that "cat-ear, dog collar, funny talking people who live that way all the time" half. The extremists. They are the ones who give the furry fandom, and the rest of us normal type, by association, a bad name. They are the reason the furry fandom is "morally unacceptable". |
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Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:35 pm
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Silvador wrote: |
Eechironin wrote: |
just people who enjoy reading furry stories and cos-play at conventions.
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These people are what I call a "normal furry". Because, in essence, they are normal people. They simply enjoy a form of art and otherwise behave normally.
It's the rest of the furry community, that other half, that "cat-ear, dog collar, funny talking people who live that way all the time" half. The extremists. They are the ones who give the furry fandom, and the rest of us normal type, by association, a bad name. They are the reason the furry fandom is "morally unacceptable".
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Ah, good, nice to know I am normal.
(proceeds to stuff tail into pants and hide cat ears under hail.
/jk! ) |
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