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Tearlach
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:35 am  Reply with quote
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Several recent threads regarding employment both in Bon Bon and RL have aroused my interest about such matters. We have members who are Tailors, but what about Milliners, Drapers, Shoe makers, (Cobblers, I hear you cry and the same to you I reply), Fishmongers , Green grocers and Butchers.

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((Don't forget:

Coopers, wainrights, copper-smiths, white-smiths, gold-smiths, silver-smiths, jewelers, clockmakers, bookbinders, hawkers, lamp-lighters, ferriers, sailors, train engineers, laborers, bricklayers, masons, fishermen, seamstresses, laundresses, tax collectors, surveyors, notory publics, arbitrators, butlers, greenskeepers, glass makers, china workers, printers, and type-setters.


Thinking of that... what do you call rope/twine/cord makers?

OH! For those of you who are curious, a Milliner is a "Hatter"... so you could also be called a Haberdasher too.))
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You missed out Knocker-Upers, but I am not sure it that job still existed by 1895. ( Knocker-upers carried a long pole and used it to tap on bedroom windows of mill/mine workers, in order to wake them up)

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Caroline wrote:

Thinking of that... what do you call rope/twine/cord makers?


As silly as it may sound, some one who makes ropers is simply know as a "rope maker" or " Roper"

It is interesting to note that most Western surnames evolved from what the ancestor did as employment. Which is why "Smith" is such a common surname.

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im acutly surpised no one has gone for a candle maker as that was the main light sorce for people in 1895

as if im correct only the very rich had eletristy

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Well what about musicians and artist. Things of that nature. people who either goto palces and paly at parties or things(musicans example). or peoepl who make art for things like houses or soemthing(art example)?

is that a job in that time?

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Umm there are people who already have jobs like that, tear is talking about the jobs that arent used and aren't very common on here

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Well actual only a few in bon are artist. more are musicians. like em im odd jobs/musician. but didn't get if that was a good question or not.

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True only me, miss scorpia, grllover (maybe more) are under the artist catagory

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Tearlach wrote:
You missed out Knocker-Upers, but I am not sure it that job still existed by 1895. ( Knocker-upers carried a long pole and used it to tap on bedroom windows of mill/mine workers, in order to wake them up)


Nowadays when you use the term "knocked-up," it has a different meaning Wink

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Wolfbane007 wrote:
Tearlach wrote:
You missed out Knocker-Upers, but I am not sure it that job still existed by 1895. ( Knocker-upers carried a long pole and used it to tap on bedroom windows of mill/mine workers, in order to wake them up)


Nowadays when you use the term "knocked-up," it has a different meaning Wink


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back to topic...this new jobs is making me confused...there seems to be a lot of jobs in the past but its summarized in the future

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I think its because most of the jobs combined in just one job, or its because the world doesnt need some of these jobs anymore

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Arcanus wrote:
I think its because most of the jobs combined in just one job, or its because the world does not need some of these jobs anymore


It is because so much now has been taken over by the large retail chains, especially in Britain. For example, Wal-Mart sells bread, milk and meat, clothes, groceries, tv's you name it. so fewer independent bakers, no dairies and few if any independent butchers. Who these days makes their own clothes or wears a hat, baseball caps do not count. Hardware stores are the size of aircraft hangers How we live has affected the way we consume, and certain occupations have fallen by the wayside.

This is a very old program which shows the country skills which would have been used in 1895.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bl1HQg7aCo

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To tell the truth because of this happening I believe the quality of most of the things we have today has gone down the drain

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Quantity over quality. Neutral dry

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Another occupation Rat Catcher! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Laughing

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They should be equal, maybe if we had more people working on the quality more there could be more jobs in our time...maybe people should go back to the jobs of the old time start new

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I don't think many of those are ever going to be popular for fursonas here. People tend to pick something that's flashy, sexy, cool, sophisticated or dangerous. That's why we're seeing so many females with occupations that emphasize their attractiveness and femininity, while among the males, there's a multitude of warriors, mercenaries, gunmen and many others who carry some form of weapon.

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((Hey Tearlach,

Quantity has a quality all it's own. And you can still find mom-and-pop stores and restaraunts.

To Tearlach and Arcanus,

Just because something is mass produced doesn't automatically make it "low" quality. It makes it mass produced. By that same token, being made by an individual doesn't make it "good" either. Case-and-Point, Pizza. To me, Papa John's is a pretty good chain of pizza joints. Not the best, but I know what I'm getting when I order from them. Anytime I order from a mom-and-pop pizza joint, the result could be anything from rubbery bread with nasty sauce to the best thing I've ever tasted.

Anyway, for me, I'm getting kinda callous about the sheer number of professions that are... well... violent that people want to play. Yes, I understand it's more "flashy" and "Hollywood" to have a gunslinger-outlaw who is also a cardshark. But... it just seems so common here now that it's getting to the point of ludicris (sp?). And, yes, I know, Caroline has a long-rifle. However, she used it to shoot clay pidgeons and goto marksmanship competitions with it. Not adventuring in the Brazillian jungle hunting huge game or treasure. So... anyway.

So... I kinda like it when the Royals and others here don't have some sort of... "face-puncher' as their primary occupation, or even their past. I like how we finally have a tailor.

I'm not saying people can't be the character they want to be. It's just... ho-hum to me to see yet another "super-mondo-bestest-swordfighter-gunslinger-judo-kung-fu-boxing-slayer-hero" ever. ))
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The only reason why my character has a blade is for his resolve and to dissarm only not to harm, and if a character does have a weapon it doesnt mean they have that type of style, i mean mine is a photographer, and only uses his saber when he needs to, so there are some exceptions to the weapons theory

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What I've been wondering for a time now, is whether people think that characters who don't have some kind of violent past or occupation, who don't carry weapons or don't know how to fight, are considered less interesting. I personally really like it when I see someone pick an interesting occupation. Especially if it's something that really fits in Bon Bon, and could be used in the comic. Smile

I think that people should pick the occupations they want, but I must admit that I sometimes lose interest when reading fursona descriptions. So many people choose the violent occupations or dark pasts, and I just see nothing I want to comment on.

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Well after thinking it over a bit im not going to change what I've done to my fursona, but prolly add to it so people dont think hes just a revenge bent person, and is only in town for just that reason only

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Symphony wrote:
What I've been wondering for a time now, is whether people think that characters who don't have some kind of violent past or occupation, who don't carry weapons or don't know how to fight, are considered less interesting. I personally really like it when I see someone pick an interesting occupation. Especially if it's something that really fits in Bon Bon, and could be used in the comic. Smile

I think that people should pick the occupations they want, but I must admit that I sometimes lose interest when reading fursona descriptions. So many people choose the violent occupations or dark pasts, and I just see nothing I want to comment on.


120 years ago the world was a very violent place. People joined the army/ navy and such to escape poverty and destitution, prostitution then as now was a last resort to earn money for food and lodgings, not for fun.
Bon Bon is a fantasy world it seems natural to me that warriors, adventurers and criminals alike would drift to its metaphoric shore line, like the driftwood of shattered wrecks.

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Bon Bon is a fantasy world, that tends to portray things in a positive light rather than a negative. Looking at the comic and the world Vanessa has created, most characters aren't the solders or warriors we're seeing people create as fursonas. They are regular people, and there isn't the same overwhelming tendency to carry weapons.

The way I see it, Bon Bon isn't so much defined by what time the comic takes place in, but rather the style and story that Vanessa has given it. We're not really seeing many other warriors created by Vanessa make appearances in the comic. It's really more of a romantic comedy, rather than a story of adventure and fighting.

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((Symphony,

For me, I guess it would be how "Grim-emo-dark" the character's past is. Don't get me wrong. I like Western movies. And, Western's are populated by Ranchers, Gunslingers, Cowboys, Indians, Banditos, Sherrifs, Miners, Railroad Tycoons, and the like. But... for me, since BonBon is more of a romantic-sexy-comedy-adventure, a Mel Brook's-style Western's would just fit better. Something more "Blazing Saddles" instead of "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."

For example, I like Johnny Six-Fingers, as... he seems very Slim Picken's-esq to me. So... maybe if figherty-type characters were more like that.

To Tearlach,

Well, by that same example, BonBon is a Fantasy place. So... maybe the world, as a whole, is generally a safer, kinder, healthier, cleaner, more romantic place to live in... and... to be a criminal or have a violent past is the exception, not the norm.

Though... if you did want to go for a more realistic, not gritty, just more realistic, I'm kinda suprized we haven't seen any shysters, hucksters, swindlers, monteblanc's, confidence men, paper hangers, highwaymen, politicians, and the like. I mean, I think Doc Horton is the only Card Sharp we have. We have gambler's, but only one Card Sharp.

As an Aside, I always thought "Paper Hanger" was a neat term. It means "Counterfieter"... or however you spell it. ))
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Yes weapons can be included in violent pasts but weapons can also be used to show the status of a person as well, and just because the person had a violent past doesn't mean that they will be violent as well, it could push them to be a better person

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It's seems like me i'm the only male without weapons or a violent past. he has a messed up by he had a "Breakdown" but that's it.

But bon bon is fantasy not violent like dungeons and dragons esque. just not violentish. just a fantasy place.

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Yes weapons can be included in violent pasts but weapons can also be used to show the status of a person as well, and just because the person had a violent past doesn't mean that they will be violent as well, it could push them to be a better person

It's not that I think some characters are violent. It's really more about why we're not seeing more people come up with interesting background stories for their fursonas, without relying on them having served in the army, or have lost loved ones, or something along those lines. This really goes back to my earlier question, if a character is less interesting if it doesn't have a a violent or dark past, a violent occupation, or carries a weapon.

It's just so rare these days, to see someone make a fursona that's completely without any elements of violence or a tragic and dark past. Except if it's a female one, of course. Wink

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Well my original idea for Arcanus was completely different at the time, before i decided to make a fanfic he didn't have a very dark past at all, before i rewrote him many times it came out that he accidentally stumbled into bon bon, and he was just a detective, not a photographer, my main problem was though at the time I couldn't come up with a proper backround

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I think it is the fact that if some one does have an violent/dark/tragic/fighting background they do tend to be a more interesting person. For example there was only one film on Ghandi, and here comes Godwin's law, but how many films have been made about Hitler exclusively, at least three.
The point I am trying to make is such characters real or imaginary are more popular. The cult of celebrity/personality.

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